“You calibrate to these certain discomforts that make moments of resolution incredibly gratifying, and that’s something that I feel like I’ve grown to strive for more and more — you put people through these trials and then give them their reward. Again, it’s kind of mischievous. There’s something combative about it. But for the right kind of listener that also makes it really fun. That’s the kind of listening experience that I enjoy the most. And when you’re actively challenging and rewarding people — that, again for the right kind of listener, forces it to become an active listening experience where you are forced to treat it more like a book than like wallpaper.”